Furlong Colony 1: Meanwhile, Back In Reality
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Sunday, December 13, 2009

Meanwhile, Back In Reality


Libertardia is a magical, cotton candy world where the rich don't have to contribute.

11 comments:

Sheldon Furlong said...

Now foind the charts that rate the citizens of those countries by their health status. Guess who you will find way down the list.

Chris said...

The United States.

Chris said...

With Canada very close.

http://www.photius.com/rankings/healthranks.html

Josh said...

I love how the average expenditures on health doesn't go back farther than 1980. Wouldn't want to see how the US compared to the rest of the world in the 50s and 60s when health care was actually practiced in a free market.

Chris said...

I don't see how you could ever compared the health care of the 60s to the modern health care of today. The comparison is just retarded. You might as well compare the health care costs of 1930 to those of Ancient Rome.

Josh said...

The point of the graph is to show a comparison of trends. The trends pre-1970 are important because the vehicle through which Health Care prices were determined was significantly different.

Chris said...

"The point of the graph is to show a comparison of trends. The trends pre-1970 are important because the vehicle through which Health Care prices were determined was significantly different."

No, those stats are irrelevant for th obvious reason that health care costs were in reach of the average consume. Today, because of technology costs, it is not.

The only way to get out of this is to eliminate the patent system, but since that was implemented by capitalists, I don't see it disappearing soon. And even if it were abolished, I costs would definitely not drop to 1960s levels.

Josh said...

"Today, because of technology costs, it is not."

Do I need to make specific examples, or can I just say that this theory contradicts the reality of just about every other technological advancement that has been left to the free market to distribute?

The patent system is criminal. I don't agree with any intellectual property laws. It limits the rights of others, sets arbitrary guidelines, and stagnates technological development.

Douglas Porter said...

"Do I need to make specific examples, or can I just say that this theory contradicts the reality of just about every other technological advancement that has been left to the free market to distribute?"

1. Other industries create products that millions can consume. The medical industry does not. Sick people constitute a small market.

2. The RnD costs for health industry products is much, much higher than the everyday product market.

Moreover, the market is based on the high wages of unionized labor. It is not free at all. And that is a good thing.

"The patent system is criminal. I don't agree with any intellectual property laws. It limits the rights of others, sets arbitrary guidelines, and stagnates technological development."

You get the capitalists who invested millions and millions of dollars into created a new drug. See what THEY say about your little moral theory, Josh.

Josh said...

"Other industries create products that millions can consume. The medical industry does not. Sick people constitute a small market."

Yea...the health care market is tiny...lol...are you retarded?

"The RnD costs for health industry products is much, much higher than the everyday product market."

Yea, the RnD that has gone into the personal computer is minute. The RnD that goes into cell phone and mobile networks, tiny. The RnD that is put into Lasik surgery, contacts, and plastic surgery: nothin. The RnD that has poored into the auto industry and manufacturing in general..yep..nothin.

"You get the capitalists who invested millions and millions of dollars into created a new drug. See what THEY say about your little moral theory, Josh."

Well, even with austrian economists and real capitalists, there is a debate about over intellectual property, and the consensus is that intellectual property is property that should be protected. This is Ayn Rand's position and Ron Paul's position. I don't agree. So, it's not something I expect to change anytime soon.

Douglas Porter said...

"Yea...the health care market is tiny...lol...are you retarded?"

For specific treatments, yes it is. Everyone needs to buy a car. Not everyone gets cancer. In fact, only a small percentage get cancer every year.

"Yea, the RnD that has gone into the personal computer is minute."

1) People don't need computers. Sick people do. Hence, the astronomic prices for health care. Sick people are held ransom.
2) Everyone buys computers now, because the potential market for computers was all people. The potential market for health care products is still only the small number of people who get sick. This, for me, is blindingly obvious.

"The RnD that goes into cell phone and mobile networks, tiny. The RnD that is put into Lasik surgery, contacts, and plastic surgery: nothin."

False comparison. The RnD costs of the mobile phone is driven by the almost universal demand for telephones. Lasik surgery, however, is not needed by everyone. Therefore, for every dollar that is invested in lasik, the cost is greater.

"The RnD that has poored into the auto industry and manufacturing in general..yep..nothin."

Again, everyone needs a car. Everyone needs everyday items.

You might want to taste the ideology you are swallowing before you try to spit it in someone else's face. ;)

"Well, even with austrian economists and real capitalists, there is a debate about over intellectual property, and the consensus is that intellectual property is property that should be protected. This is Ayn Rand's position and Ron Paul's position. I don't agree. So, it's not something I expect to change anytime soon."

Conclusion, the capitalists like intellectual property rights.

 
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